Bragging about Numbers

The month of July is being spent with the Ministers preaching about all the success the church has reaped. It will cite all kinds of examples because it will be “PROOF” that the current leader, the Beloved EVM is guided by God.

But if you carefully examine everything it shows a very different picture.

What we often hear are about Numbers:

Millions missionised!”
Over 160 Countries reached!”

First of all, the number of countries reached is a deceiving one. It merely states that there are church members in that country. It does not mean that the gospel has been preached to the people of that nation and that citizens of that country have joined our church. Don’t understand what I am saying? Carefully examine photos of brethren worldwide. What do you notice? FILIPINOS. Those are church members who came from the Philippines probably to find work in that particular country. So what happens? Lo and behold the church is now in 160 plus countries. In some cases there are actually only 3 to 5 church members in that entire nation. So can one honestly say that it is part of EVM’s success?

 

 

To avoid any EVM fanatics jumping in and arguing, let’s simply ask, in those 160 plus countries, let’s be honest, how many in Israel are Israeli church members? In Russia? How many Russian brethren? How many Swedes? Get my point? They are still mostly FILIPINOS. Don’t let the numbers being thrown at you cloud your brain.

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A room full of Italian natives? Buon giorno fratellis
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ALL NATIVE CANADIANS EH?

Secondly I don’t mean to belittle the number because it is good that the Church is in those countries but that’s not all are EVMs accomplishments either. Many of those countries were reached by members long ago. Places like United States, Canada, United Kingdom, France, Italy, Germany, Guam, Australia, Hong Kong and Japan were all during the time of Bro. Eraño Manalo’s time. Why did I mention those countries? Because those are where the majority of brethren are outside the Philippines.

So what is the difference now? Why am I bringing this up now and not during Brother Eraño Manalo’s time? Well, for starters, let us ask, when we hear of MORE countries reached, which are they? And exactly how many members are there? 3? 7? 24? Can we even count them as “congregations“?

How is it different now? There used to be a standard number of people before they could be counted as a “congregation” or a “committee prayer group” or an “extension”. Not because 4 people met in one country that it is already a local congregation or a district. Let’s not fool ourselves. Moreover let’s not fool others.

I know the EVM fanatics will jump all over my statement there and will say that even Bro. Eraño mentioned that the church has reached so many countries, that’s true but he never boasted about it like it was some kind of PROOF that he was appointed by God. It was never a measure of his accomplishments, but merely a statement of truth – rarely thrown in our face. Nowadays every little event is touted as some fulfillment of God’s prophecy to EVM.

Now let’s talk about “accomplishments“. In the next few months we will be hearing more and more about the great accomplishments of our Beloved leader proving once again that he is “truly appointed by God” (especially this is his 10th year as Administrator.  We will be reminded of this many things built, that many accomplished, how many this and how many that was done under the leadership of the Beloved EVM.

But let’s be clear on this, when it comes to God, BIG NUMBERS don’t mean a thing and it does not mean that it is God’s work. Let’s read 3 specific examples for clarity:

Judges 6:14-16 – “The Lord turned to him and said, “Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian’s hand. Am I not sending you?”

“Pardon me, my lord,” Gideon replied, “but how can I save Israel? My clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my family.”

The Lord answered, “I will be with you, and you will strike down all the Midianites, leaving none alive.”


1 Samuel 9:17, 21 – When Samuel caught sight of Saul, the Lord said to him, “This is the man I spoke to you about; he will govern my people.”

Saul answered, “But am I not a Benjamite, from the smallest tribe of Israel, and is not my clan the least of all the clans of the tribe of Benjamin? Why do you say such a thing to me?


 Deuteronomy 7:1, 7 – When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites,seven nations larger and stronger than you—

The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples. 7:7


 

What can we notice from these three separate passages? Gideon and Saul were appointed by God. Israel was chosen by God. Both men said that they were the least or the weakest or the smallest. Israel was certainly not the largest nor the most powerful nation. And yet, that’s what God wanted. Big numbers don’t mean a thing to God. On the contrary, He prefers the small and weak. Why? Apostle Paul wrote this:

But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 1 Corinthians 1:27

God intentionally chooses the weak to put to shame the strong. What is another reason?

The Lord said to Gideon, “You have too many men. I cannot deliver Midian into their hands, or Israel would boast against me, ‘My own strength has saved me.’ judges 7:2,7

 The Lord said to Gideon, “With the three hundred men that lapped I will save you and give the Midianites into your hands. Let all the others go home.”


What can we notice? God never goes for the big numbers and He states clearly why. Because “people would boast of themselves”. or as it is in our time you have other people boasting for you.

God always wants the underdog so that that it is never about them.

So why do we now boast of World record breaking feats? When we are able to form the LARGEST HUMAN SENTENCE in the world, does it really show God’s power? The largest domed arena? Was that a miracle that formed from nothing? No of course not. Because others can easily top that.

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But aren’t those things also success? Yes, you can say that. But we have to distinguish between the TRUE WORK of GOD and what is simply MANUFACTURED SUCCESS. If it’s something that any man can replicate then where is the wonder in that? For example, the Philippine Arena. One of the big boast of the current Church Administration is that he was able to build this enormous building. Record breaking even. But can this also be replicated? It has already begun.

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The point here is not whether we can accomplish something with great numbers. Like God told Gideon, “you have too many men. They will just boast against me”. So like now when the Administration says we are able to missionise millions, is that really that “amazing”? Not really. Because 1. If there are over 2 million members, that pretty much comes out to less than one guest per member. 2. Even if millions are missionised, it’s no guarantee that they will join the church. 3. Why boast about millions being missionised when God said that the number of people that are deceived as “many as the sand of the sea?”

“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.” Revelations 20:7-8

And finally, whilst we are in the book of Revelations, should we really boast that the Church is now in 160 plus countries? Should we be proud that the Church is all over the world? Have we forgotten the old doctrines that we were taught? What is one of the prophecies in Revelations that the Messenger and Bro. Eraño taught us? The description of the FALSE CHURCH.

“Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters” Revelations 17:1

It is described as the “great harlot that sits upon many waters” What does it mean “sitting upon many waters”?  In Revelations 17:15, it says:

“Then the angel said to me, “You saw the waters where the prostitute sits. These waters are the many peoples, the different races, nations, and languages in the world.”

So the great harlot or prostitute or the false church described in Revelations is EVERYWHERE!; many peoples, different races, nations and languages. So should we really boast about being everywhere?

So let me summarise all these points;

  • Boasting about numbers is not right. Even if the Church is in 160 countries and territories, most of them are brethren who merely migrated from the Philippines
  • The large number of brethren outside of the Philippines and are not Filipinos were done during the time of Brother Eraño Manalo, not during the EVM era.
  • Man made success can be replicated by others
  • Big numbers are not really important to God because immense accomplishments of the few in number shows God’s power. Historically, God always chose the weak and the small that they would not boast against God
  • The large number of people, as many as the sand of the sea are the ones who are deceived.
  • Being all over the world, is a sign of being the false church.

 

So tell me again, why would we brag about numbers?

21 thoughts on “Bragging about Numbers

  1. Because Brother, its the only thing they can boast about. You peel down the layers behind it and you can see the rot that supports this. Many joined the church? quantity not quality which later on became MS/HA and such. The gospel did not really took hold as every bible student was rushed in the process just so to reach the numbers on that period.
    Number of new church and re-dedicated church, again the same thing, many are not even fit for occupancy even after the dedication. Some rededicated chapels has many defects left like leaking roof after the so called renovation (ex. the Toronto chapel comes to mind after its so called $450,000 funding). New Districts and new locales. They are good in paper but look closely and no new chapel is actually built/purchase. New locales are made by halving an existing locale. The district of Southern Ontario comes to mind. In our INC website it boasts of 10 new locales. In reality they only have one chapel. The 9 others are renting halls, banquet halls, houses, other churches, etc. But in paper and number it looks impressive.

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  2. So now they are claiming they don’t tolerate corruption as evidenced by high ranking ministers being taken out of their offices. Essentially admitting that there are corrupt ministers in the organization. Plus all the buzz about cleansing the church. Sounds like tap dancing to me. Meanwhile, RSP had to pay Menorca’s legal expenses. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it is a façade.

    And Mr Embry has more skeletons in his closet. One criminal record. 6 foreclosures and one Chapter 7. He is so arrogant he boasts about his house in Los Angeles being destroyed by an earthquake.

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  3. Sa pagsamba last July 14, sunday, ay muling nag emphasize ang ministro na ang lahat ng pasya ng pamamahala (EGM) ay tama dahil sa lagay sya ng Dios. Daig pa nya ngayun ang Sugo NA UMAMIN NA NAGKAKAMALI SYA

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    1. Cause EVM truly believes he is the best & the greatest of them all — ang kapal dba? Sa tutoo lang even si Cristo gusto nya i-surpass. The nerve of this guy!

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  4. Talk about big “numbers”. The EVM administration also holds the “record” for most corrupt ministers exposed during an election year.
    They also hold the records for the “most” – rude/arrogant ministers, covered-up (murder) crimes, cooked up litigation, media manipulation/fake news, most fanatic members and so on & so on…

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  5. Right bro.Edge,the most or greatest number of people were the Ones Deceived by the Devil..the Universal or Catolica Church and the “Global Church Now”. Revelation 12:9. How sure d Global Church was deceived by the devil? Changes lots of Church regulations and some Doctrines.!! Just “one proof”— EVM never make Mistakes!! — against the Bible — ONLY Christ was and is the PERFECT Human being/Person!!! Not EVM !!!!
    How many were Saved in d time of Noah? In the Time of Lot? And how many reached the Promised Land in the time of Moses?—- Millions?? Hundreds of Thousands?? Not even TEN(10) people were saved in their Times.!!!

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    1. Even Rev 7:2-4 states only 144,000 are sealed. Rev 9:5 states those not sealed will endure “5 months of torment” and Rev 9:6 states they aren’t allowed to die.,

      That is a prophetic 5 months, which is 150 years.
      One needs to read the entire chapter of Rev 9. The fifth angel is “an angel from the east.” The locusts are false prophets. The sixth angel releases the four winds (also described in Rev 7:2-3) to kill 1/3 of the population.

      The first restorationist religions were Jehovah’s Witnesses and Iglesia Ni Cristo and they came from the Millerites and SDAs (the latter were established in the mid 19th century). They account for 12 million of the Unitarians. JWs and INC were persecuted by mainstream and now what happens is they persecute expelled members.

      Somehow all of this ties the 144,000 into the martyrs of Rev 20:4-6.

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  6. The FEW people or persons I mentioned were “just few”,but GOD is with THEM!!! Very clear in the Bible. 8,3 and 2 “only”!!!! How many powerful or popular religions has around the world? Is GOD with THEM??? Can any OWE answer please!!!!

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  7. EVM n His ministers Spirit were like d spirit of the Devil in Isaiah 14:12-14, in Ezekiel 28:17 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4
    Instead of Christ’s Spirit it’s the OPPOSITE!! Shame on them,bearing the name IGLESIA ni CRISTO!!! They are really EVM’s CHURCH not the INC in the Bible.!!!
    Mayayabang,Palalo,Hambog at Pasikat!!! Taking all the Glory and Praises w/c is Due to GOD!!!

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  8. Or listing missionary prospects as bible students. Fudging the R3-07 even happened before 2015.

    These days missionizing the Filipino community is difficult at best.

    The obsession with Guinness records.

    Very little is mentioned about Catholicism or the divinity of Jesus these days. Just generic statements about how other churches are closing. The SDAs adopted Trinitarianism in 1985 yet they claim Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and the Pope is the antiChrist. They, Armstrongism and one right end Unitarian group worship on Saturday.

    The Jehovah’s Witnesses are also making the same claim as INC about their expansion (and they have a lot more negative publicity worldwide). Like INC, they claim to have “the truth” and all others will burn up.

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  9. evm might as well just hit his head in the wall. He can never win against the two beloved leaders we had – brother Felix Y. Manalo and brother Erdy.

    Amazing how our deepest respect and love remains for our two most beloved leaders even after all these years. Whereas nothing but contempt for the trying so hard wanabe TP.

    The church spreading world wide is in God’s plans. And that happened because our brethren ventured out abroad to seek greener pastures and to better their lives. Ka Erdy understood the reasons in those actions so there is always a concerned reminder that brethren make sure that wherever they are going to seek work, there is a place of worship they can attend in so their spiritual needs and continued connection with God is upheld.

    In places where there is no established committee prayer or locale, the brethren took it upon themselves to gather and strengthen one another thru regular prayer meetings. They look out for other brethren that haven’t heard of their meetings thus, when they have enough numbers, they will inform the Central Office and ask permission to make their prayer groups official. Small start till eventually, they receive tapes of worship lessons and as time goes by, their group turned into locales.
    It is never about bragging that the church is reaching the western world. It is already written in the Bible.

    As for evm claiming the glory for the Church “global” expansion, don’t be a fool. You know the score.
    As brother Edge once said – evm is only expanding the size of the church like cutting up a pizza into thousand little pieces. The pizza size remains the same no matter how you cut it into so many “new locales and new district”. A good reason for this is to accommodate the numerous equally wet behind the ears ministers they continually to send abroad.

    Amazing what folly one would believe just to stroke one’s ego. Pitiful and pathetic.

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  10. “The truest human is the one whose conduct proceeds from goodwill and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe.”

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  11. My Officer friend told me that their minister is conditioning the Officers mind that the EVM Church on 10th year of EVM, ” millions of people” will really received baptism around the World.!!!
    Almost every meeting or occasions,their minister never forget mentioning about it, so even some regular members knew about “these millions” that will received baptism”, this coming September.
    It’s not surprising,”they are used to it, Lying”,right? Nothing to be surprised off.!!!
    Numbers,numbers and more Numbers.!!!!

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  12. To All “True” Members of the TRUE Church of Christ:

    Happy 105 Anniversary to all of Us!!! Hope we will continue to Uphold the pure n true teaching we learned from ka FYM n ka EGM.!!! We will continue to Defend the Words of God written in d Bible, w/o adding or subtracting or “changing” in any of it. God Bless Brethren!!!

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  13. Bros. did U watch w.s in Rome this 27 of July? As usual Bragging what evm has accomplished!! The new minister even said: This are the WORKS done by bro.evm.!!! And I noticed too,in every congregation in different parts of the world, ( I watched in Utube) even they are/were “interviewing” Filipino/Filipina Bro. or Sis.,they SPEAK in the language of that country.!! Showing off?? Bragging?? Why not in English or Pilipino? Just curious he he he he… it’s ok if d bro. or sis. is NON-English or Filipino, He/She can speak their OWN language,right?

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  14. Hi Brother. I started reading your blogs and I can say that we have the same views and sentiments of what’s really happening in our beloved church from the past few years.

    Lately, the lessons are more about cleansing in the church. One time, the OWE minister said that the “church administration is cleansing the church”. I gave him the benefit of the doubt since he might have said it the wrong way. However, another OWE minister from a different congregation said the same thing that the church is being cleansed by the church administration. This boils my blood. I said to myself “this man called EVM is really high and proud that he is able to clean the body of Christ”. He has the nerve to tell this to every member around the world.

    My question is, is there even a single verse in the bible about this idiocy of the MIPITW?

    Have a good weekend brother.

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